In 1947, the British returned all their lands in Midde East. Arabs almost all of the land from North Africa, through the Middle East, including all the oil and gas resources. In historical Israel, the Arabs likewise got the vast majority of the land, including all the good land.
Yet all that was not enough for the irredentist islamists, who immediately attacked Israel.
Against overwhelming odds, Israel won. In the eighty years since, irredentist islamists have attacked Israel six more times. Israel won every time.
After each win, Israel offered land-for-peace. Seven times.
Each time, irredentist islamists have refused.
Worse, irredentist islamists gave up on warfare and turned to brutal terrorism against civilians. Relentless terrorism against Israel. Attacks on America, in 1993 and again in 2001, with devastating consequences at the World Trade Center.
In 2020, President Trump achieved the Abraham Accords between Arab oil states and Israel. That isolated the terrorist elements that remain.
Now the only way to peace is to end enough of the irredentist islamists until the rest stop fighting.
Dang Rob, you couldn't let me post once without a comment, could ya, haha
Alright, let's straighten the facts out here. So the land of Israel/Palestine under the Ottoman rule was shared by all Abrahamic religions: https://bit.ly/3X0ufJL so if you're trying to say that Israel is somehow meant to be a Jewish state, well... it was in 1840. And also trying to cite a religious text to justify total ownership over a plot of land is ridiculous.
I don't think you actually are read up on this topic because your "Yet all that was not enough for the irredentist islamists, who immediately attacked Israel" comment is just so wrong and ahistorical. Please just read this wikipedia page first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
And then you said "Against overwhelming odds" um, bro... Israel was literally supported by the British, the greatest(or second behind America) military force on earth at the time.
So the Abraham Accords have like- nothing to do with Palestine, if anything all it did was spit in the face of the Palestinians who have suffered under the apartheid and made Jerusalem even more militarized, emboldening Israel. That didn't at all change the dynamics in the relationship like the Oslo Accords would have. But look, you should really read my footnotes page, I explain more of the context if you're willing to have an open mind. Even if you want to cling to Israel, you should at least be able to acknowledge the innocent civilians, the women and children of Palestine do not deserve to be slaughtered by Israeli bombs and shot by Israeli snipers. https://theliberationproject.substack.com/i/146178257/genocide-in-gaza
Well where in history should we start because the origin of Israel as a recognized state was the Nakba; the forcible removal of Palestinians from their native land.
So do you support every American in North America leaving the country? Because that is Native land that America forcibly took and committed a genocide on the Native people.
So you want to refer to the Bible; a religious text with little historical credibility to how we should determine who's land is who's... but you think the Nakba, an event that is extremely well documented with first hand accounts and first sources that happened just 75 years ago- is a fraud? Believing that is on the same level as holocaust denial. From the wikipedia page: "The Nakba is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians through their violent displacement and dispossession of land, property, and belongings, along with the destruction of their society and the suppression of their culture, identity, political rights, and national aspirations." There is no denying this happened.
I have no idea wha you're on about "It has kept Arabs stuck in camps as a malignant sore pressed against the sole democracy in the Middle East." that makes no sense at all. UNWRA is an aid organization, has like- nothing to do with the politics of the conflict. I don't even know what you're trying to say with Greece/Turkey and India/Pakistan, those aren't related situations and you barely tried to make a comparison, there was no 'exchange of population' in Israel/Palestine, it was Zionists violently displacing native Palestinians.
So no shit they refused to leave- if someone came to your house and told you to leave, you'd refuse, obviously. So why would the other Arab states recognize Israel as a state? It's a violent imperial nation.
The only reason Saudi Arabia agreed to the Abraham Accords was to trade with America, they don't care about Israel. And your claim that "the Gulf States no longer support terrorists" is just wrong, they are literally slaughtering the Houthis in Yemen right now and have been for years.
You keep using the world "irredentist" but who is trying to do that? Zionism is the false, racist, militant idea that Israel inherently belongs to Jewish people. The evidence that "Islamists" would agree to Israel's existence- start with Israel not genociding Palestinians and attacking every Muslim nation in the region first.
I think I'm done arguing this because you clearly do not know anything about the Middle East and that quote you sent is one of the most abhorrently racist things I've ever read- Curtis LeMay is the person who said Vietnam should be bombed back to the stone age,, not really a coincidence you think Israel has the right to genocide a population while citing the one of the most vile, racist people in modern American history.
I tried to humor you and be reasonable but fuck off with your racist comment, its disgusting.
So if you actually read the article, I literally talk about AIPAC and its influence in our politics. Confused why you're saying the Israel lobby doesn't get criticism when it gets plenty from legitimate leftists who care about Palestine to conspiracy theory peddling racists like yourself.
Israel arose about 1200 BC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah. Muslims did not exist before 600 AD, two millennia later.
In 1947, the British returned all their lands in Midde East. Arabs almost all of the land from North Africa, through the Middle East, including all the oil and gas resources. In historical Israel, the Arabs likewise got the vast majority of the land, including all the good land.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/WhitePaper.jpg .
Yet all that was not enough for the irredentist islamists, who immediately attacked Israel.
Against overwhelming odds, Israel won. In the eighty years since, irredentist islamists have attacked Israel six more times. Israel won every time.
After each win, Israel offered land-for-peace. Seven times.
Each time, irredentist islamists have refused.
Worse, irredentist islamists gave up on warfare and turned to brutal terrorism against civilians. Relentless terrorism against Israel. Attacks on America, in 1993 and again in 2001, with devastating consequences at the World Trade Center.
In 2020, President Trump achieved the Abraham Accords between Arab oil states and Israel. That isolated the terrorist elements that remain.
Now the only way to peace is to end enough of the irredentist islamists until the rest stop fighting.
Dang Rob, you couldn't let me post once without a comment, could ya, haha
Alright, let's straighten the facts out here. So the land of Israel/Palestine under the Ottoman rule was shared by all Abrahamic religions: https://bit.ly/3X0ufJL so if you're trying to say that Israel is somehow meant to be a Jewish state, well... it was in 1840. And also trying to cite a religious text to justify total ownership over a plot of land is ridiculous.
I don't think you actually are read up on this topic because your "Yet all that was not enough for the irredentist islamists, who immediately attacked Israel" comment is just so wrong and ahistorical. Please just read this wikipedia page first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
And then you said "Against overwhelming odds" um, bro... Israel was literally supported by the British, the greatest(or second behind America) military force on earth at the time.
So then you go on to suggest the Palestine and Hamas had something to do with 9/11, like I really just don't think you know anything about Middle East politics, al-Qaeda carried those attacks out. Hamas is much, much different from al-Qaeda, if you'd like to learn more go here: https://www.diis.dk/en/research/the-importance-of-understanding-the-differences-between-hamas-is-and-al-qaeda
So the Abraham Accords have like- nothing to do with Palestine, if anything all it did was spit in the face of the Palestinians who have suffered under the apartheid and made Jerusalem even more militarized, emboldening Israel. That didn't at all change the dynamics in the relationship like the Oslo Accords would have. But look, you should really read my footnotes page, I explain more of the context if you're willing to have an open mind. Even if you want to cling to Israel, you should at least be able to acknowledge the innocent civilians, the women and children of Palestine do not deserve to be slaughtered by Israeli bombs and shot by Israeli snipers. https://theliberationproject.substack.com/i/146178257/genocide-in-gaza
Well where in history should we start because the origin of Israel as a recognized state was the Nakba; the forcible removal of Palestinians from their native land.
So do you support every American in North America leaving the country? Because that is Native land that America forcibly took and committed a genocide on the Native people.
So you want to refer to the Bible; a religious text with little historical credibility to how we should determine who's land is who's... but you think the Nakba, an event that is extremely well documented with first hand accounts and first sources that happened just 75 years ago- is a fraud? Believing that is on the same level as holocaust denial. From the wikipedia page: "The Nakba is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians through their violent displacement and dispossession of land, property, and belongings, along with the destruction of their society and the suppression of their culture, identity, political rights, and national aspirations." There is no denying this happened.
I have no idea wha you're on about "It has kept Arabs stuck in camps as a malignant sore pressed against the sole democracy in the Middle East." that makes no sense at all. UNWRA is an aid organization, has like- nothing to do with the politics of the conflict. I don't even know what you're trying to say with Greece/Turkey and India/Pakistan, those aren't related situations and you barely tried to make a comparison, there was no 'exchange of population' in Israel/Palestine, it was Zionists violently displacing native Palestinians.
So no shit they refused to leave- if someone came to your house and told you to leave, you'd refuse, obviously. So why would the other Arab states recognize Israel as a state? It's a violent imperial nation.
The only reason Saudi Arabia agreed to the Abraham Accords was to trade with America, they don't care about Israel. And your claim that "the Gulf States no longer support terrorists" is just wrong, they are literally slaughtering the Houthis in Yemen right now and have been for years.
You keep using the world "irredentist" but who is trying to do that? Zionism is the false, racist, militant idea that Israel inherently belongs to Jewish people. The evidence that "Islamists" would agree to Israel's existence- start with Israel not genociding Palestinians and attacking every Muslim nation in the region first.
I think I'm done arguing this because you clearly do not know anything about the Middle East and that quote you sent is one of the most abhorrently racist things I've ever read- Curtis LeMay is the person who said Vietnam should be bombed back to the stone age,, not really a coincidence you think Israel has the right to genocide a population while citing the one of the most vile, racist people in modern American history.
I tried to humor you and be reasonable but fuck off with your racist comment, its disgusting.
Oh good, the same tired, baseless Hasbara premises.
So if you actually read the article, I literally talk about AIPAC and its influence in our politics. Confused why you're saying the Israel lobby doesn't get criticism when it gets plenty from legitimate leftists who care about Palestine to conspiracy theory peddling racists like yourself.
Nah fuck off with that Nazi shit